Here are the main ways that claim still doesn’t really land, even with post-Babylonian editing:
ellauri499.html on line 195: The texts’ basic purpose is polemic The stories/poems that invoke Baal (and the “Baal prophets” motif) are typically written or reshaped to argue that Baal worship is false and harmful from the perspective of the reforming/Yahweh-centered community. Post-Babylonian editors can add detail or sharpen theology, but the rhetorical aim usually stays the same.
ellauri499.html on line 201: The “prophets” labels are part of the argument. In these narratives, calling the other side “prophets of Baal” functions like “religious rivals” in a theological contest. Editors could reframe the rhetoric, but the rival-vs-rival structure is central to the story’s persuasive point.
ellauri499.html on line 234: At that point, the question stops being “Was Baal good?” and becomes: Was there a dominant faction that associated Baal with what it called right order, prosperity, legitimacy, fertility, kingship, etc.? Did the later Yahweh-centered tradition retrospectively demonize Baal as a way to delegitimize political rivals? Do the “exceptions” (prophets, leaders, reformers) map onto shifts in power rather than shifts in ethics?
ellauri499.html on line 264: The Hebrew Bible includes use of the term in reference to various Levantine deities, often with application towards Hadad, who was decried as a false god. In the Hebrew Bible, Baal appears frequently as a foreign or rival deity, with prophets like Elijah opposing his cult, while in early Israelite contexts, the title may have sometimes referred to Yahweh. Depiction as a false god was taken over into Christianity and Islam, sometimes under the form Beelzebub (Lord of flies) in demonology. Classical sources rendered him as Belus. The Quran also references Baal worship, portraying him as a false god opposed by the prophet Elijah (Arabic: Ilyās or Elyas) (Qur’an 37:125). The Quran also mentions Ba'al as a common noun meaning “husband” (Qur’an 2:228, 4:128, 11:72, 24:31). Ba'al (בעל) is the most commonly used Modern Hebrew word for a husband.
ellauri499.html on line 293: Gideon's name Jerubaʿal was mentioned intact but glossed as a mockery of the Canaanite god, implying that he strove in vain. Direct use of Baʿali continued at least as late as the time of the prophet Hosea, who reproached the Israelites for doing so. Brad E. Kelle has suggested that references to cultic sexual practices in the worship of Baal, in Hosea 2, are evidence of an historical situation in which Israelites were not behaving to the liking of thepruder southpaws, either preferring sexy Baal practices for boring Yahweh or blending the two. Hosea's references to sexual acts were metaphors for Israelite "apostasy". Brian P. Irwin argues that "Baal" in northern Israelite traditions is a form of Yahweh that was rejected as foreign by the prophets. In southern Israelite traditions, "Baal" was a god that was worshipped in Jerusalem. His worshippers saw him as compatible or identical with Yahweh and honored him with human sacrifices and fragrant meal offerings. Eventually, the Chronicler(s) disapproved of both "Baals" whilst the Deuteronomists used "Baals" for any god they disapproved of. Likewise, Mark S. Smith believes Yahweh was more likely to be inspired by Baal rather than El, since both are stormy divine warriors and lack the pacifistic traits of El according to the Ugaritic texts and Hebrew Bible.
ellauri499.html on line 297: An earlier passage had made Shechem the scene of Joshua's covenant between all the tribes of Israel and "El Yahweh, our god of Israel" and a later one describes it as the location of the "House of El Berith". Big fat hairy difference. It is thus unclear whether the false worship of the "Baʿalim" being decried is the worship of a new idol or rites and teachings placing Yahweh as a mere local god within a larger pantheon. The Hebrew Scriptures record the worship of Baʿal threatening Israel from the time of the Judges until the monarchy, but it may just have North-South politics masquerading as religious heresy.
Throughout all the stories of Judges the popular faith in YHWH/Baal runs like alternating current. This faith raises the judges, and inspires poets, prophets, and Nazirites. ... Worship of Baals and Ashtoreths has been schematically interspersed between these chapters. No trace of a vital, popular belief in any specifically foreign gods can be detected in the stories. Baal prophets were identified snd eliminated in Israel centuries later; but during the age of the judges when Israel is supposed to have been most deeply affected by the religion of Canaan, there are no Baal priests or prophets to speak of, nor any other intimation of any trouble from polytheism in Israel’s life, while the Deuteronomist and the present form of Jeremiah phrase the Judahite godnapping as struggle about monolatry or monotheism against henotheism or polytheism.
ellauri499.html on line 338: Both Ezekiel and Jeremiah were prophets of the Southern Kingdom of Judah. The northern kingdom with its capital at Samaria fell to Assyria long before these prophets began their work. They operated at the decline of Jufah during the reigns of the final kings of Judah: Josiah, Jehoahaz, Jehoiakim, Jehoiachin, and Zedekiah. Jeremiah started prophesying earlier, near the end of Josiah's reign. Ezekiel was called later, after he was taken captive to Babylon during the reign of King Jehoiachin. No wonder Nabu sent Hese to jail in Tel Aviv.
ellauri499.html on line 386: After Baal has been defeated in the matchstick lighting match Elijah orders the people to slaughter the 450 prophets of Baal (plus 400 of Aserah). Jeremy and Pantyhosiah are the prophets who most jealously went after Baal's balls. In Hosea 8:7-9, God foretells the fate of the faithless Israelite Baal-worshipers, that their land will be destroyed and the survivors taken as captives to Assyria, leaving so many temple prostitutes' wild asses wandering alone.
xxx/ellauri148.html on line 153: Who is the Messiah the Jews are expecting to come? Why did the Jews reject Yeshua (Jesus) as their Messiah? These two questions often seem a mystery to many Christians as they read the Bible and study the prophets. Before Yeshua, the Jews were waiting for the Messiah, but when Yeshua came and died without more ado, he did not fulfill this expectation.
xxx/ellauri148.html on line 163: King Messiah will arise in the future and will restore the kingship of David to its ancient condition, to its rule as it was at first. And he will rebuild the Temple and gather the exiled of Israel. And in his days all the laws will return as they were in the past. They will offer up sacrifices, and will observe the Sabbatical years and the jubilee years with regard to all the commandments stated in the Torah. And he who does not believe in him, or he who does not await his coming, denies not only the [other] prophets, but also the Torah and Moses our Master. For, behold, the Torah testifies about him [the Messiah], as it is written,
xxx/ellauri148.html on line 167: And these are things which are explicitly stated in the Torah, and they comprise all the things which are said by the prophets. Even in the section “Balaam” it is said and there he prophesied about the two Messiahs: about the first Messiah who was David who saved Israel from the from the hands of its enemies, and about the last Messiah, who will arise from among David’s children and who will save Israel at the End. And there he says:
xxx/ellauri148.html on line 177: The sages said that the only difference between this world and the days of the Messiah will be with regard to the enslavement to the kingdoms. It appears from the plain meaning of the words of the prophets that at the beginning of the days of the Messiah, there will be the war of Gog and Magog. And that prior to the war of Gog and Magog, a prophet will arise to straighten Israel and prepare their hearts, as it is written, Behold, I will send to you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord (Mal. 4:5) And he will come not to declare the pure impure, or the impure pure; not to declare unfit those who are presumed to be fit, nor to declare fit those who are held to be unfit; but for the sake of peace in the world….And there are those among the sages who say that prior to the coming of the Messiah will come Elijah. But all these things and their likes, no man can know how they will be until they will be. For they are indistinct in the writings of the prophets. Neither do the sages have a tradition about these things. It is rather, a matter of interpretation of the Biblical verses. Therefore there is a disagreement among them regarding these matters. And in any case, these are mere details which are not of the essence of the faith. And one should definitely not occupy oneself with the matter of legends, and should not expatiate about the midrashim that deal with these and similar things. And one should not make essentials out of them. For they lead neither to fear nor to love [of God]. Neither should one calculate the End. The sages said, “May the spirit of those who calculate the End be blown away” But let him wait and believe in the matter generally, as we have explained.
xxx/ellauri148.html on line 181: The sages and the prophets yearned for the days of the Messiah not in order they should rule over the whole world, and not in order they should lord it over the idolaters, not in order that the nations should elevate them, and not in order that they should eat and drink and rejoice; but in order they should devote themselves to the Torah and its wisdom, and that there be nobody to oppress them and to negate, so they should merit life in the World to Come…
xxx/ellauri166.html on line 352: In Hebrew thought, Ruch Ah Qudsh was considered a voice sent from on high to speak to the prophet. thus, in the old testament language of the prophets, Ruch Ah Qudsh is the Divine Spirit of tent dwelling, sanctification and creativity and is considered as having a feminine power.
xxx/ellauri225.html on line 358: There are stunning passages from literature that have moved him for decades. There is poetry, prose, and criticism from John Milton, Dr. Samuel Johnson, Phil Collins, Thomas Gray, Blake, Wordsworth, Coleridge, Shelley, Keats, Tennyson, Browning, Swinburn, Elizabeth Bishop, John Ashbery and James Merrill Hintikka. Bloom meditates on the Hebrew prophets, the Kabbalah, Psalms, Job, the Song of Songs, and Ecclesiastes. And of course, his beloved Shakespeare.
xxx/ellauri410.html on line 1075: Mormon prophets have continuously taught the sublime truth that God the Eternal Father was once a mortal man who passed through a school of earth life similar that through which we are now passing (The Gospel Through the Ages, 1945, p 104).
xxx/ellauri410.html on line 1123: I could spent lots of times demonstrating the false gospel of the LDS, and the false prophecies which were made by your false prophets, but I've done all that on my blog (here).
xxx/ellauri446.html on line 144: Many Wiccans say that Wicca is harmless and nature-loving — that it has nothing to do with evil, Satanism and dark forces. But that is exactly what Satan wants them to believe! Satan is very harmful! As Peter, Paul and Mary said before Peter got the rap for pedophilia: Their end will be what their actions deserve. Jesus knew the Bible and quoted it all the time, why not, he wrote it. It's okay to write in your bible. But witchcraft is strictly ruled out in leviticus and in deuteronomy. I am your lord, do not accept any substitutes. Exclusivity is a major part of monotheism. Do like Elijah and kill 500 prophets of the competitor.
xxx/ellauri446.html on line 245: Profeettoja näyttää ilmestyneen juutalaisille valtakuntien romahdusten aikana. Mixi näin? Prophets are a strange breed of men. They're God's emergency men for crisis hours. The greatest need in America tonight is prophets. Jotain poliittista siinä oli meneillä. Ne oli influenssereita.
xxx/ellauri446.html on line 251: What are the names of the 23 prophets in the Bible?
xxx/ellauri446.html on line 301: Yes, John the Baptist was a prophet. He is considered the last prophet in the traditional line of prophets from Israel, and is also revered as a prophet in Christianity, Islam, and other faiths, according to Wikipedia. He is recognized as a major religious figure in these religions, and is also honored as a saint in many Christian denominations.
xxx/ellauri446.html on line 309: John was definitely a prophet. So was Paul. Anyone who sees visions like they saw were prophets. However In the New Testament it was made clear that because the Holy Spirit is now available free for everyone, and not just a select few, all believers may prophesy. Despite this, as per Paul’s writing in Ephesians, there were still people who were in the office of prophet. (Eph. 4:11) So why not use the title? I believe John was a very humble man and wouldn’t have taken that office title for himself. Jesus said not to use titles like father and teacher. It stands to reason that this applies to prophets. Woe to any man who takes a title for himself and flaunts it! Someone who had seen Jesus, who knew his glory firsthand, would have trouble taking any of that glory for himself. Don’t you think? “He must increase. I must decrease”. It’s not about us and our titles. It’s about Jesus Christ and him crucified - and risen again. It always has been. Always will be. hope that’s helpful. blessings.
xxx/ellauri446.html on line 349: Obadja eli Gottschalk, mie on teidän palavelii. Obadja oli Ahabin hovimestari. Exuding a noble charm, Obadiah is a Hebrew masculine name with far humbler roots. A man who hid a hundred prophets and received the gift of prophecy in return. Bible scholars give Obadiah mixed reviews. Some see him as a believer who was “doing the best he could in a bad situation.” After all, they say, he did risk his life to save the prophets of the Lord from Queen Jezebel. Mutta Obadja väpelöi kuin Ilja käski mennä kertomaan Ahabille Iljan whereabouts.
xxx/ellauri446.html on line 364: The majority of the book pronounces judgment on foreign nations, making Obadiah one of only three prophets who pronounced judgment primarily on other nations (Nahum and Habakkuk are the others). How does Obadiah’s condemnation of Edom apply to us today? Jordania, Palestine, Iraq and Arabs think themselves greater than they actually are; great enough to mock, steal from, and even harm God’s chosen people. But the “Lord GOD,” a name Obadiah used to stress God’s sovereign power over the nations, will not stand idly by and let His people suffer forever (1:1). Obadiah’s message is final and it is sure: the kingdom of Edom will be destroyed completely, as will Gaza.
xxx/ellauri472.html on line 251: I believe that Yeshua’s ‘love your neighbor’ teaching was given to help Judah accept her Israelite brothers so that the restoration spoken of by all the prophets could begin.
xxx/ellauri486.html on line 225: And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.
xxx/ellauri486.html on line 260: Finally, he (Justin Bieber) provides information on the weekly Sunday meetings of the congregation, consisting of readings from the Jewish prophets and "the memoirs of the apostles", prayers, a collection for the poor, and a meal. Justin did not provide much detail into the theological reasoning behind early Church practices.
xxx/ellauri486.html on line 323: It is wrong, of course, to understand the Spirit and the power of God as anything else than the Word, who is also the first-born of God, as the foresaid prophet Moses declared; and it was this which, when it came upon the virgin and kind of overshadowed her, caused her to conceive, not by intercourse, but by power. And that the prophets were inspired by no other than the same golden spray, even you, as I fancy, will grant.
xxx/ellauri493.html on line 140: Because the lamb was naturally quiet, Old Testament prophets used it as a metaphor for dignity, submission, and innocence in the face of suffering. The most famous example was Jesus.
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